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or not speaker boehner can deliver votes. the thing that a lot of people worry about in private is him and obama will cut a deal in late december negotiations. but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should be in favor of certain kinds of entitlement reforms. it's not actually that big of a give. on social security, as an example, democrats have won for the time being on privatization being completely off the table. there's a strong argument for trying to lock that in now as oppose eed to waiting and having that potentially come back. in addition, one of the big concerns here is doing too much fiscal austerity too soon. the more you did in the form of social
, not true. obama went to cut $5 billion off medicare. not true. a lot of his key arguments and of course the jeep ad at the end which has been declared the number one lie of the year. >> the one that offends me the most is the apology tour. it's foundational. he's putting that down in the ground. and i want to get joan in here. he puts that down and says sort of his takeoff platform. he's apologizing but i'll be a robust patriot. i'll defend america against anything foe or friend because i'm a real american. and this guy because he recognizes we live in a world of other countries that are decent countries. they're not all the enemy out there. this right wing attitude it's just us or just us and israel against all these evil third world people and they're just crazy about that. it's so dangerous. >> to finish this point for one second. the thing is -- and this is what ornstein was saying too. that his campaign was based on a lot of major big sweeping lies. now, you can look at obama and point out that he made a mistake, misrepresented obama's policy in this way and that way. but that the
for seniors. conway distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting is $716 billion from the program. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. >> look, these guys haven't been big on medicare from the beginning. their party's not big on medicare from the beginning. folks, use your common sense. who do you trust on this? >> so, now, of course, given all the campaign rhetoric coming from both sides, we are on the other side of an election that proved that there is a bipartisan consensus, that it is bad to
dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do the democrats get in their proposal? they get this. a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future. we'll talk about it later. after they put forth that sweet deal, this was the reaction from the beltway's conservative class. this is genius. sadly, this plan leaves conservatives wanting. wanting what exactly? the declaration that mitt romney is actu
are in favor of a tax cut? i don't feel that's moving too much to the center. >> mathematical sense, what obama has said is he wants to extend 98% of the tax cuts. he's also said i want to cut medicare in some ways and social security maybe later. but those are big ideological victories for the republican party, if you come to think about it. a lot of democrats would rather not think about cuts, they'd want to continue to do stimulus spending. >> the 2% they don't agree on is so important and symbolic for the democrats and something that president obama campaigned on and feels that, you know, he has a mandate to do, which is to raise taxes on the top 2%. >> to your point, jane, there's a sense of an emotional investment in not getting these top marginal tax cuts extended. i want to play sound from harry reid this morning on the floor. you get a sense the republican resistance is theater, but there is a genuine belief they cannot extend these things. let's listen to harry reid. >> how many times is charlie brown going to try to kick that football, because we know every time he approaches that fo
billion in medicare cuts. wellç you know why he was sayi that? because obama and the affordable care act cut medicare by $700 billion. they did it in a very careful way. they did it in a way to protect beneficiaries and responsible. they faced up. they said medicare does need to be trimmed. we need to do it in a smart way and did this. >> why is it off the table now? >> well, precisely because they did -- took that step. they took that very big step and now everyone -- now the idea's, all right, we took the found cut and starting the experiments now. let's see how they work. there's a very good chance, in fact, we are seeing signs that some of them are starting to save some money. we cut $700 billion. we have these pilot programs going forward. let's watch. we have taken enough out of medicare for now and see how the experiments go. if they work out and if a few of them work out, we'll get bigger shape and in better shape fiscally. >> the line in the sand of the president is not don't touch medicare but the benefits provided but back to what you were saying about the way that republicans
on the entitlement cuts that president obama has laid out or more entitlement cuts, but something. i think john boehner has to go back to his members and say look, president obama won the election, polling suggests we republicans lose if we go over the cliff, and i got this one thing that's going to mitigate your unhappiness over the fact that we're moving up rates on the wealthiest americans. he needs the third part to sell the whole package. >> and david, there is a jobs report today which sort of mixed news for everyone. it's a good number, down to 7.7%, unemployment, 146,000 new jobs added but the downside is that fewer people were in the labor force a lot fewer, because people gave up on even trying. >> i think this is one of the more provocative questions and get to it on sunday, which is, are we too focused on the debt. are we not focused enough on what the government can be doing to try to spur job growth? beyond just -- >> there was a stimulus piece in the offer from the white house that was laughed at by the -- >> laughed at but could end up surviving. one of the things about the pres
wanted. republicans haven't moved at all on spending. they are saying we want you, president obama, to tell us what spending cuts we should propose. that's not the way it works. you are the people who ran all year long saying we need to cut more in spending. tell us where you want to cut, republicans. that's not what president obama ran on. he ran on raising the top tax rate for the top 2%. that's what he wanted to do and what he should focus on. >> let me play what the president said in a new interview with abc regarding taxes. let's play it. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. i think the key is to mick sure that taxes go up on high end individuals. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> our team points out that we see the white house is being cautiously optimistic about a deal while the house republicans are cautiously pessimistic. we still have a ways to go. as you heard the president say, time is running out. what do we make. warning to house republicans that we could be working through the holidays
cliff hostage. and that's really unacceptable. president obama has put spending cuts on the table. he's put an increase in the tax rates for the wealthiest americans on the table. we've put making sure that we have p get a tremendous amount of savings out of the entitlement programs. what have the republicans put on the table? virtually nothing. it is time to be rational and compromise. >> to that point, what haley barber said this morning about the possibility of compromise. he was on "morning joe" today. >> as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. i would hold my nose despite the facts that raising those two tax is bad economics, bad for jobs, going to hurt the economy. i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> does he have a point? are democrats really prepared to deal with entitlement reform to maybe substantive cuts, the kinds the republicans are calling for? >> chris, hail by barbour mentione
this weekend. president obama taking his message of middle class tax cuts and tax increases for the rich to detroit today. just as michigan is facing a big vote against union organizing in a state long identified with the labor movement. joining me now for our daily fix, msnbc contributor and managing editor of "post politics.com". good day to you. well, first of all, the labor movement really on the ropes now in michigan of all places. michigan where detroit, of course, was the heart of the auto movement, the auto union, and now you've got a vote -- final vote is tomorrow as the president is being greeted by rick snyder, the governor, who says he will sign that, and to union right to work legislation. what does that really mean? >> well, so what you have here, this is something that's passed in 20 plus states. what it essentially says is you do not have to pay union dues in order to be employed. unions view it as a direct attack on their -- the power of organized labor, which comes at least, in part, politically speaking from union dues. look, here's the issue. the state senate and the
agree are more harmful than what obama is proposing by raising the upper two brackets. and then this party that paraded around as the big deficit hawks, the guys that wanted to control spending, the only cuts they put on the table is playing at margins, increasing retirement age from 65 to 67 and adjusting rates for social security. this hasn't presented itself as a party that wants to cut spending. on one hand you have president obama's proposal, which most agree is the responsible way of raising the debt, raising rates. and responsible cuts on entitlements and discretionary spending versus republicans who are divided against something that is a chicken hawk when it comes to the deficits, that is the boehner approach, or the more extremist position which is absolutely nothing.ç so this is an extraordinary position for the republican party to have evolved into. >> you must respond to what julian just said. >> i like julian an awful lot but i think what he said is entirely wrong. it's fascinating president obama last july, july of 2011, said we can get $1.2 trillion i
taste this soup. >>> i'm craig melvin. president obama want congress to cut a check for $60 billion in aid to hurricane sandy victims. house leadership hopes to get the money flowing fast. >>> video captures a 7.3 quake off the coast of japan. several people were reportedly hurt. >>> and sad news from the london hospital where kate middleton was treated. a nurse who fielded it the call that was a hoax call has taken her own life. she was a first-class nurse, says the hospital. back to "hardball." >>> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was speaker boehner's downbeat assessment of fiscal negotiations. he went on putting blame squarely on the president. let's listen. >> this president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> shortly after, hou
of president obama's job initiatives including the american jobs act and had passed the middle income tax cut. >> so let's cut to the chase. one of those congressional members is lying. either the republicans are right on cutting taxes on small business also add jobs, or the president's stimulus policies are fuelling the economic recovery in this country. joining me tonight to sort out the facts, david cay johnston, pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of "the fine print. let's start with the job growth. unemployment hit rock bottom near the beginning of the -- under the bush administration. you can see this right here. and this of course the changing the color here is when president obama took over in january of '09. who is responsible for this turnaround? >> absolutely the president. and it would be a better turnaround if the republicans had allowed a bigger stimulus. we'd have many more jobs. >> you'd make the case we didn't spend enough on the economy? >> not only did we not spend enough, but we wasted 40% of it on tax cuts for small business, which is inherently savings and not s
and congressional democrats. president obama proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction, he has a balanced approach to take care of the middle class and that they have the certainty that they need that we make spending cuts that are significant, that make sense, and that we maintain the things that are going to keep us competitive globally like the central funding for education and innovation, and at the same time we also make sure we ask wealthiest americans to pay a little bit more and when it comes to our tax policy that if you work hard and play by the rules in america that everybody has a chance to succeed and that's why you've seen ceos from across the country sign on to that notion, with president obama, saying it's okay if we raise rates a little bit for folks who make more than $250,000 a year. the world is not going to come to an end. there are republican and conservative analysts and thought leaders like bill kristol who have said that. why the republicans in the house who really are still very entrenched with their tea party mentality have not yet understood that, and are still dug in,
or the righteous thrill of cutting medicaid assistance from those obama-loving takers. for nearly 100 years now you were just this boring, nondescript wallflower, never drawing attention to yourself. when congress through spending and tax cuts came up against your limits, you were wordlessly elevated. they barely gave you a second glance. it was a waste of time to deal with you, but waste of time is what congress does. 74 times you have been raised since the '60s. you saw wars, peace, a man on the moon, and no matter how you batted your fiscal eyelashes, nobody cared. invisible. now, all of a sud be the tea parties can't keep their hands off you. like a case of fiscal syphilis you put the entire body in peril, and i know this disease is no fault of your own. congressional republicans have decided that consequences be damned, threatening the country with national default by refusing to lift you after having already voted to cut taxes and spend until you absolutely must be raised is somehow a useful tool for getting their way. i know you love all the attention, but seriously, debt ceiling, this isn't
prices are expected to keep falling as refiners cut how much they're charging distributors and retailers. >>> president obama and john boehner are keeping mum on their face-to-face negotiations on sunday. as the clock ticks down it appears some republicans may be softening their stance. nbc's brian moore has the very latest on this story. >> reporter: president obama and house speaker john boehner were behind closed doors trying to break the tax and spending stalemate that threatens to take the country over the fiscal cliff in just over three weeks. meanwhile, one by one republicans are bowing to the president's demand that takes go up for the wealthy. >> will i accept a deal? >> yes. >> we don't have a lot of cards before year end. we have one house. that's it, the presidency and the senate. it's in the democrat's hands. >> since we agree with the democrats, 98% of the american people and 80% of the bush tax cuts, i would get that off the table now so they don't worry about it. >> democrats insist taxes are going up on the rich no matter what. >> if you don't increase tax rates 2%, you
differences. boehner would cut much more. obama's view is we've cut so much from that already we have to be careful how much more we cut. >> when you talk about discretionary spending cuts, a big difference between defense cuts and domestic cuts. does it go after defense spending the way he has? >> he hasn't spelled it out yet. we don't know. r&d, a lot of investment programs we think we need to keep this economy growing. >> can i ask a question? what makes up the difference between the bowles-simpson proposals and the other ones? why is that so much higher? what are they leaving out? >> there were more tax increases. it was light on entitlements. >> okay. >> where did bowles-simpson get the revenue. >> they eliminated a whole slaw and lowering rates and also a tax on gasoline. >> they let the bush tax cuts expire, right? >> initially they did and then were going to do tax reform. >> would they increase the taxes on the rich? >> yeah. >> they would? >> yes. >> to the same extent? >> i would have to do the math. >> don't you do any homework? >> numbers cruncher. dad, thank you so much.
'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> there is big news tonight out of washington where speaker john boehner and obama are talking. this is actually not nothing, not in this town. early last week they really weren't talking, and neither were their staffs. progress on what to do about all those expiring tax cuts and schedule spending cuts and that possible recession congress might create, totally stalled. but now today they are talking, and their staffs are talking, and they're even exchanging paper, real paper. news leaked today that in the last few days, there have been new offers and new counteroffers in the negotiations. but they sound, to be honest, not that different from the old offers. reports that mr. obama has gone from $1.6 trillion in taxes to $1.4 trillion but hasn't budged much on entitlements. mr. boehner really hasn't moved on taxes at all. he is still i'm told at $800 billion, although details on his offer are sparse. earlier today i asked michael steele, john boehner's pres
season. president obama continues his pressure campaign to pass the tax cuts. the president is also taking time to be fesive. john boehner doesn't sound so merry. >> no progress report because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fis e call cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> the phone call was pleasant, but was just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, just more of the same. it's time for the president if he's serious to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> even though the president apparently designed the negotiating sessions at boehner's request. according to "the new york times," boehner insisted the talks include only himself and the president of the united states. boehner wanted senate democrats and nancy pelosi out of the discussions. democratic senator dick durbin told the times this is now the speaker and the president working this through. democratic leaders say they are satisfied with the briefings that they continue to receive. nancy pelosi seems perfectly ha
speaker john boehner went to the floor and spoke about his meeting with president obama for the first time. boehner and the president sat down over the weekend. boehner says the meeting was nice and cordial but went on to attack the president's offer on spending cuts. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious? >> boehner and his far right caucus may find the offer unacceptable, but president obama has put a lot on the table. nancy pelosi hit back at boehner's rhetoric today. >> the fact is, the president has and democrats agree, to $1.6 trillion cuts. where are the cuts? in bills that you, mr. speaker, have voted for. >> pelosi is lobbying for house republicans to hold a vote on letting tax cuts expire for the wealthiest americans. with h
that's what w. and his crowd did. i want president obama to do what he's already doing, from the looks of things, get this deal done right and get it done on time. he knows fail to cut this on schedule is a risk of unclear dimension. nobody knows, i don't, how bad the whirlwinds will be if he we fail to do this on time. one thing for certain, no guarantee that a huge drop in faith of the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a real cliff, not a bungee jump. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >>> good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" from new york. senator jim demint has met his waterloo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> one republican senator said, i'm quoting him now, if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. think about that. >> jim demint is cutting and running. john boehner is in a box. grover norquist near oblivion. karl rove benched on fox news. and the real action of barack obama has sent the republica
that the boehner rule, i. efrmgts any extension of the debt limit must be matched by matching spending cuts the norm from now on. seems president obama does not want to play that game as he said. walking away from the press conference today withes the gop leadership on capitol hill, a x alex, they're still engaging in the trench warfare. i asked speaker boehner about the $250,000 bush tax cuts, all the polling shows the country will think republicans are to blame if we go over the fiscal cliff, six out of ten voters in november said the tax rates should go up, how much longer can he afford to politically keep this pledge and he said look, you heard it there, the rates when we close the revenues, loopholes will go up on the rich people. that still is the mindset. what's interesting, is talking to republicans leaving the house conference gop conference this morning, there is a lot of support for speaker boehner. there aren't cracks like there were during the debt limit where he had a faction that was lining up against him wholeheartedly. even after yesterday we heard all the stuff of fallout
the republicans have reached the end of the line. they're hoping obama will show his cards and come out with cuts for entitlements and then they will show something on tax cuts. >> he has no incentive to do anything at least publicly. >> will they show their cards on tax cuts first ? >> they have to. >> who is going to show their hand first. >> the republicans. they're going to have to. obama can stand pat and he's doing it right now. he can be cool hand luke. >> i think that's the way he is playing, very cool. thank you. he's going to force john boehner to come out and say what he wants done to protect the rich people or not protect them. thank you ron reagan, thank you and dana mill ban. >>> a big anti-union vote in mooer michigan is coming up. a right and left going at it. it isn't about gutting unions. a lot of people think so. stf about lowering wages and hurting democrats? you bet. >>> plus the most talked about movie in hollywood hasn't even talked about. it's about torture. many critics say "zero dark thirty" suggests without torture we wouldn't have gotten the guy. it's going to be hot.
to begrudgingly accept the tax hikes and obama and the democrats need to come with spending cuts. unless we treat this like it's an actual problem and not just political theater, all of this stuff is meaningless. totally meaningless. >> the thing i would say on that is it's less like an economic plan and more like fairness and people feeling like they are not getting the raw end of the deal. >> that's political and that's fine. i understand the political argument for it. they are acting like this is going to solve a lot of problems and it's not. republicans are acting like it is going to be the end of the world and it's not. we need to just swallow this bitter pill and move forward and talk about tax reform and entitlement reform and the things we need to address our fiscal problems. >> part of what we are seeing is going back to seeing an anti-government party trying to drag down government and that's going to be good for the business in general. i agree with most of what you guys said except with what you said. i'm glad you said fetish. i like when the word fetish is in any conversation about p
are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> president obama responded, showing republicans where they could find the details. >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal that was two pages long that included one sentence on revenue. the proposal here includes, i believe from pages 17 to 45, details on proposed spending cuts by the president, pages 17 to 45. i recommend them to you. >> so, at this point, a deal before christmas looking unlikely. as senate majority leader harry reid admitted yesterday. but in an interview with barbara walters, president obama predicted that republicans would eventually give in on taxes. >> the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st, and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> prediction. are you going to be able
obama the revenue from the expiration of the bush tax cuts. that makes him complicity in the eyes of the base, and they're going to fire him from his job if he does that, in all likelihood. >> do you really think that he will get fired if he lets those tax cuts expire? >> it's at best 50-50 he keeps his job, if he cooperates in making that bargain. the best thing for boehner is for that to happen without his cooperation, without his active cooperation. it's got to happen without him. then they can go ahead and get the rest of the revenue without raising tax rates. then the tax rates will go back to the clinton levels. the rest of it will happen automatically, and, you know, the republicans are trying to do this complicated scenario where they vote present. if they don't vote and the democrats vote, it's this ritual where the dmgz do all the voting, and the republicans kind of stand by, and i think they're right to do that, because then you've got a trillion of revenue automatically locked in. then, you know, obama is asking for another $600 billion, and will he probably settle for
tax cuts to expire for everybody. it proposes tax reform that would produce another trillion in tax revenue t. could produce more revenue than the proposals from president obama or speaker boehner combined. in addition simpson bowles would cut spending by nearly $3 trillion, half that have coming from national security. that's right. more defense cuts. than people have been talking about. it all adds up to around $4 trillion worth of deficit reduction. the plan also reforms social security to raise the retirement age and raise the maximum amount you can tax. and for the middle class it would turn mortgage into a 12% tax credit. co-author of the plan alan simpson said on cbs' "face the nation" there's no easy way out of this debt problem. >> not a single economist who talked to us in our hearings said we can't grow our way out of this thing if we had double digit growth for 20 years, you can't cut spending out of this. and you can't tax your way out of this baby. this is impossible. >> earlier today i spoke to the other co-author of the simpson-bowles plan, former white house chief o
in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates,
, if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. think about that. >> jim demint is cutting and running. john boehner is in a box. grover norquist near oblivion. karl rove benched on fox news. and the real action of barack obama has sent the republican party into total disarray. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> congressman jim clyburn of south carolina and eugene robinson on the latest republican fiasco. >>> plus, congressman chris van hollen on john boehner's latest concession on the fiscal cliff. michael eric dyson and donna gentile-o'donnell on the political fallout. howard dean on chris christie's big decision on the obama care exchange. and apple's ceo breaks big news to nbc's brian williams. >> next year, we will do one of our existing mac lines in the united states. >> tonight, a story of economic patriotism in an era of bain capital with e.j. dionne. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the reality of the election is start to set in on members of the republican party. republican senator jim demint of south caroli
and cutting benefits long term and been floated and what this is is obama and the white house have ruled out invoking the 14th amendment aez a work around of not giving the republicans leverage on the debt ceiling and decided to roll a debt ceiling extension in to the fiscal cliff deal whatever they end up striking here and seems to me acknowledging republicans have leverage with cpi and talking about raising the medicare age. my question to you as a progressive is, republicans want something big. is there any big concessions you can see acceptable? >> new york city i really can't. and the kind of things we are talking about, even if they're not -- may not be acceptable to me ever but talking about a version of the changed cpi, the president already said social security is off the table because it is not driving the deficit. that's kind of weird. changes to medicare eligibility again or changes to medicare payments or whatever, it's really complicated to negotiate but i have to say i agree with you, steve. i'm -- i wish that the president hadn't taken the 14th amendment off the table because
, and i want to hear -- listen to president obama today talking about smflt other things, the spending cuts that are involved and what they're dealing with here. >> i think there's a recognition that maybe they can accept some rate increases as long as it's combined with serious entitlement reform and additional spending cuts. if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, to acknowledge that reality, then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. another way of putting this is, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. >> chris, there's the president saying he's ready to do serious entitlement reform and additional spending cuts, and no one seems to be noticing that. >> yeah. you know, i just talked about that. >> entitlement reform is medicare, medicaid and social security. >> that phrase, you would agree, right, the word "entitlement" has bizarre see mantic resonance to it. like you're whiningç and entitled, social insurance. >> it was an honorable entitlement, but meaning i paid into social security for 30 years. i am entitled
. it's 3412. s-3412. if the house passes it, president obama said that he would sign it tomorrow. that would extend the tax cuts for the middle class. that means the middle class can go out and do christmas shopping and buy thing for their families because they would know that their tacks are not going up. it's being held hostage by the house of representatives. that would be the best thing that we can do right now. >> now, if they, in fact, allow the tax cut across the board and then come back in, i understand that some are saying that it's better to have no deal than to have a bad deal. where do you stand on that, senator harkin. >> better noç deal than a bad deal. >> what do you mean by that? >> to make the elderly pay more on their deductibles or co-pays and to mess around with cost of living adjustment on social security, that's a bad deal. that shouldn't even be part of the discussion. if that's where they are headed, i say no deal. we'll discuss that later on. the most important thing right now is just to have the house pass the tax cut for the middle class. that would b
, republicans would, by voting present, which everyone would think was a bit weird, permit the bush tax cuts to expire for income over $250,000. that would let president obama pocket $1 trillion in tax revenue and secure a win on his key priority in the talks. but they would do nothing else. at the end of the year, we would still go over the fiscal cliff. remember, the bush tax cuts are one of the at least stimulative policies in the negotiations. according to the economic policy institute, extending the middle class tax cuts would wipe out only about 11% of the austerity's economic impact. 11%. but all that other stuff, the payroll tax cut, the unemployment insurance, the sequester, all that, that would still be expiring. so come early next year, the economy would likely be entering an austerity-induced recession. markets would be convulsing as they realize our austerity crisis is about to become also a default crisis. and so the economy, as a whole, is going to be going nuts. poll after poll already shows republicans are receiving more blame for the potential failure of the debt talks. and
and frustrated way. obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes with a minus half a million mar jib gi the polls. so if that isn't enough of a mandate to do something about taxes, what is with the loss? >> we're going to miss you congressman frank. ending an incredible career in massachusetts. thank you so much. we're going to have you back, if we can. >> i'll be around. >> i'm going to ask you what you miss positively and negatively from the congress. thank for coming on tonight. >> you're welcome. >>> when we return, let me finish with whether the politicians will be able to do what's necessary this this month. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. should be in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future.
. president obama has all the leverage because he knows if it goes over the fiscal cliff, tax cuts expires and he'll never let the top 2% get that tax cut reinstated. if they do what you suggested, vote the tax cut, continue it for the 98%, then the leverage switches to them come the time of the debt limit. they might be able to make a deal where they save some of it so it doesn't go up to 39%. maybe goes up to 37.5%. maybe they do the buffett rule and only raise rates on people making $500,000. they have a little room to leverage but right now they have zero leverage, zero. >> do you agree with that? i don't know if i agree with that. it's hard once the rates go back to 39.6 or whatever they go to, to go back and say, now we to want cut taxes for the rich. what's the reason to do it? the republican party says we have to stop the government, stop paying our debts, don't pay our bills anymore because we have to help out the rich now. that would be the worst situation to be in. >> as the conversation shifts really to the bottom line in the deficit. at the end of the day the whole thing is ab
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